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CANCER IS FUNGUS

“A little leaven ferments the whole lump.” — Galatians 5:9

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This really makes sense if you think about it & how fungus & candida (yeast) can permeate & spread throughout the entire body (“metastases”?) & attach & wrap itself around organs, etc. Years ago I saw awful photos of yeast/fungus/candida that did exactly that.

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The story is that Rome oncologist, Dr. Tullio Simoncini (above), was so distraught over not being able to help his cancer patients via “traditional methods,” that he got on his knees one night & begged God to please show him what *IS* cancer exactly? That night Simoncini had a dream about fungus, so he went from there, had to self-publish his later book about it because the “mainstream medicos” wouldn’t touch it. And, of course, as all pioneers are, he is demonized by the same bunch of crooks & others brainwashed by the mainstream.

Dr. Simoncini’s website:
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/
His Cancer Treatment:
–Short version:
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/therapy-simoncini-short.html
–Longer version:
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/2-treatment-sodiumbicarbonate.html 
His Do-It-Yourself Protocol:
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/therapy-sodiumbicarbonate.html
His Fungal Video:
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/video-fungal-hypothesis-1.html
Another Video:
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/video-simoncini.html
Ovarian Cancer Testimony Video:
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/en/video/video-patients/ovarian-cancer
His Book:
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/my-book-cancer-is-a-fungus.html
His Twitter: @CancerFungus

Another site discussing Simoncini’s protocol:
http://www.beating-cancer-gently.com/nl118.html

And another:
“Dr. Simoncini Baking Soda Treatment” – Alternative Cancer Treatments:
http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Simoncini.html

More Google search results for Fungus – Cancer – Simoncini:
http://www.google.com/search?q=know+the+cause+-+simoncini

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I used to watch Doug Kaufmann’s TV program, “Know The Cause,” on “The Good Life” Christian Channel (Orlando) when I was in that vicinity. Kaufmann came back from the Vietnam War & became ill with fungus that was so bad, he said, every crease of his body, like arm/elbow, would bleed. He was shocked when a doctor told him it was a “yeast infection” because Kaufmann thought only women got those, lol. That was his beginning into health research that he continues to this day, with a focus on yeast, candida, fungus, parasites, etc., so it makes sense Kaufmann would interview Dr. Simoncini of “Cancer Is Fungus” fame — see their discussions here:

Fasting Paradise (FP) Youtube Playlist:

03. CANCER IS FUNGUS – PLAYLIST:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoPfTrBEjqLlOIalP1NRQ8PkQn79xK0xn

Kaufmann has also written several books & has a diet protocol for getting rid of yeast, etc.:

Doug Kaufmann’s website:
http://knowthecause.com/
–His TV Program:
http://www.knowthecause.com/index.php/know-the-cause-webcast
–His Blog:
http://www.knowthecause.com/index.php/health-blog
–His Twitter: @KnowTheCause

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John H. Tilden, M.D. (1851-1940)

FUNGUS = FUNGATION = CANCER

Natural Hygiene doctors have long understood that Fungus is Cancer, but they call it FUNGATION, the 7th & last stage of disease process  where the toxic build-up is finally overwhelming the body’s ability to unload it, so it fungates & “spreads.”  John H. Tilden, MD, who lived 1851-1940, & who had a Health School & Fasting Center in Denver, described those 7 Stages in an article defined & condensed from his many other writings:

“THE SEVEN STAGES OF DISEASE” – Dr. John H. Tilden (7th Stage, Fungation, is Cancer): 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/THEN_SHALL_THEY_FAST/message/2238

Dr. Vetrano discusses Tilden’s “fungation”/cancer-stage briefly in her below article as well:

“CAN CANCER BE ‘CURED’ by [Natural] HYGIENIC MEANS?” – Dr. V. Virginia Vetrano:
https://fastingparadise.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/can-cancer-be-cured-by-hygienic-means-dr-v-virginia-vetrano/

The fungation stage is not an automatic death sentence, no matter what the “medicos” declare.  It is, however, a big wake-up call, that now is the time, like never before, to do a 180-degree turnaround, el pronto, re lifestyle, diet, sleep, rest, stress load, toxins, etc.

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CANCER – FUNGUS – PARASITES:

This below discussion from 2011-2012 was in the Comments section at this page:
http://butterbeliever.com/did-a-dangerously-low-fat-diet-cause-steve-jobs-cancer-to-spread-uncontrollably/

Acronyms they used:
–GAPS = Gut & Psychology Syndrome, Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride
–WAPF = Weston A. Price Foundation

The first guy is quoting Cancer/Fungus/Parasite info from this doctor’s site:
http://GAPS.me/preview/?page_id=32

“There is a lot of research pointing to the fact that cancers are caused by parasites. Some are caused by viruses or bacteria, some by fungi, some by flukes, worms and other creatures. The body seems to ‘invite’ parasites to deal with toxins, when the accumulation of these toxins is too hard for the body to remove on its own. Just like a pond or a ditch, contaminated with industrial toxins, invites all sorts of creatures to eat the toxic sludge and clean it up, so does the human body: it asks for help, when it gets too polluted. Many people fill their bodies with toxic sludge from their personal care products, domestic chemicals, drugs and other man-made chemicals. Different microbes and parasites like eating different toxins, so they find their ‘tasty’ spot and highjack the DNA of local cells to change these cells in order to build a ‘home’ for themselves – a tumour. In order to protect their ‘home’ from the immune system, the parasites cover the tumour with a protein capsule, which is made out of unchanged normal proteins [remember the 15-layers of fibrin!].  As a result, the immunity cannot ‘see’ the tumour and does not attack it.

“This idea is supported by the fact that a lot of metastasising follows surgery. Oncologists know this very well. That is why, no matter how ‘clean’ the surgery seemed to be, they want to follow with radiation or chemotherapy, because they know that most of these patients will be back full of metastasis. Why?  Because, the parasite inside the tumour lays eggs or spores, lots of babies. When the tumour is cut and the blood vessels are cut around it, these ‘babies’ escape into the blood stream and get distributed around the body. Wherever they settle they build another tumour.

“The time-proven anti-cancer nutritional treatment is the Gerson Protocol, which was developed in the 1930s by a German doctor Max Gerson. Gerson protocol is a strict vegan diet with juicing and coffee enemas. Vegan diets are a form of fasting: they starve the body of any ‘feeding’ nourishing substances, while providing large amounts of cleansing, detoxifying substances. Parasites need feeding and they like a toxic body. As you starve them while clearing out the toxins (their food), they become very uncomfortable and they leave. That is why Gerson Protocol has an excellent record of curing people with all sorts of cancers, in the most ‘hopeless’ stages.

Water-Fasting does the same thing & does it faster.  Whatever the problem, whether clogged arteries, fungus, parasites, microbes, viruses, cancers & tumors (unless already in the cachetic stage), allergies, immune & endocrine disorders, skin problems, gut & digestion problems, etc., fasting is the “whole body clean-out/detox all at once” method & does it faster than all these long, drawn-out labor-intensive protocols.  Of course afterward, you do have to break the fast correctly & then start your “new” lifestyle of eating right.  See Fasting Playlist #07: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoPfTrBEjqLlEYSEddLUuOSqRW1FogT6Q

Continuing with the above-quoted text: 

“Max Gerson has found his programme by trial and error. He wrote, that when he tried to add anything nourishing into the diet, such as raw egg yolk or cod liver oil, the cancer re-grew. GAPS Nutritional Protocol is a ‘feeding’ nourishing protocol. Yes, it provides detoxification too, but in a balance with nourishment. That is why I don’t use it [GAPS Diet] in treating cancer.”

I will have a separate post of links for Gerson… eventually. :)

Another person in that discussion asked:

“If Gerson therapy is about starving parasites, and Natasha Campbell-
McBride supports the parasite theory, why not try the anti-parasite herbal protocol by Dr. Hilda Clark? While she might be considered fringe at this point, her books detail a thorough means of detoxing every part of the body, starting with killing parasites in all stages. The book is ‘A Cure for All Cancers.’ No point in leaving a stone unturned when it’s your health and your body!”

True, but oh brother. I knew a lady who was into all that Dr. Clark stuff. Talk about labor-intensive. Liver Flushes, Gallbladder Flushes, Enemas, Zappers, etc. etc. If you want to spend all your energy on “working” rather than resting/sleeping/fasting to allow your body to HEAL ITSELF, then be my guest. Too much work for me. I’d rather sleep & fast for a month & let my body do all its cleansing/detoxing ON ITS OWN with no help from me except to SLEEP & REST. Then again, I don’t have cancer, so whatever anyone feels is the best route for them, they definitely should do.

Another thought I had when I first read that “Cancer is Fungus” was: Why not take anti-fungal meds (if you’re into RX meds, that is). When I first got online year 2000 & used to hang around health groups & lists, they were always talking about Candida & anti-fungal meds. Some of those anti-fungal drugs are:
–Nystatin powder
–Amphotericin-B
–Sporanox
–Diflucan
Etc.

FWIW.

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Here’s a twist: I ran across this while looking for fungus photos… Using fungus to KILL tumors rather than vice versa:

1/30/08: Fungus Drug Zaps Cancer in Study: NEW DRUG STARVES TUMORS OF BLOOD: 
http://www.newser.com/story/31243/fungus-drug-zaps-cancer-in-study.html

“A powerful new cancer drug has been developed from a fungus discovered by accident, Reuters reports. The drug, called lodamin, is dramatically effective against a range of cancers and works by STARVING TUMORS OF BLOOD.

Mice infected with cancer cells were nearly cancer free within days. “When I looked at the livers of the mice, the treated group was almost clean. In the control group you couldn’t recognize the livers―they were a mass of tumors,” said the lead researcher. “I never expected such a strong effect on these aggressive tumor models.”

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Hmmm. That doesn’t make sense. Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize in 1931 for his discovery that cancer cannot live where there is sufficient oxygen.

Blood = Oxygen.

Low Oxygen (hypoxia) = Cancer Thrives.

Increase Oxygen = Cancer Dies.

But they are saying Iodamin “starves tumors of blood” which should create a state of hypoxia (no blood, no oxygen, cancer loves it & thrives). So it sounds backwards to me. But, hey, I’m no scientist. There’s more to blood than just oxygen, ie, “nourishment,” so I suppose that’s what they are doing with Iodamin, starving the tumor of “nourishment”(?)

Guess what (again), water-fasting will do the same thing. No laboratories, scientists, researchers, lab rats, zillions of dollars & hundreds of years spent & wasted when God “invented” the all-time remedy into human beings from the Get-Go.

However, if tumors are “life & death” critical because they are pressing on & cutting off veins/arteries/organs, etc., then, by all means, do whatever you have to do.

But know the tumors will probably return later because, as Dr. Vetrano says, when tumors are “artificially forced to die” via outside/non-body-inspired measures (chemo, radiation, surgery, drugs, & probably even baking soda, H202, etc. etc.), they will return because the body ITSELF never had a chance to deal with them Naturally by repairing the underlying CAUSE (toxemia, acidosis, pH balance, etc. + harried lifestyle, bad food, not enough sleep, etc.)

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“…Know ye not that a little leaven ferments the whole lump? PURGE OUT therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a NEW lump…” — 1st Corinthians 5:6-7

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CANCER: B17 a/k/a LAETRILE CURE

(Photo: Apricot Seeds after harvesting. Gorgeous!)

Great detailed “starter” article here from Chris (who) beat (colon) cancer/tumor:

9/29/11: B-17 / Laetrile: Alternative Cancer Treatment Suppressed for 50 Years – Chris Beat Cancer blog:
Keep Reading, Click Here!

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“GMO Ticking Time Bomb” Documentary by Gary Null

Part 1
By TheHealthRanger
Posted 10/4/12

URL:  http://www .youtube .com/watch?v=rAL_AMdMXqY

The first in an upcoming series of mini-documentary videos about GMOs, this Gary Null production delves into the reality of GMO health risks. Gary Null calls it a “GMO ticking time bomb.”

This video reveals some of the health problems caused by GMOs, including infertility, accelerated aging, organ damage, immune malfunction and more.

Uploaded to YouTube by NaturalNews.com with permission from Gary Null.

More Videos in This Series Here!

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When “Fit For Life” became “Fit For Jail” :-/

Oh dear! Read the Rest Here!

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AU POLITICAL HUNGER-STRIKER HAS WRONG IDEAS re FASTING!

“My knees are weak from fasting, And my flesh has grown lean, without fatness.” (Psalm 109:24; 35:13; Heb. 12:12)

Do fasting & “hunger-striking” have anything in common? Find Out Here!

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What Does the GOVERNMENT Say About FASTING?

Is Fasting “DANGEROUS”?

Say it isn’t so, Uncle Sam! Read More Here!

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Amish Farm Shut Down by Feds Over Raw Milk!

From the Cutting Edge Weekly Newsletter 4/17/12:

http://www.cuttingedge.org/newsletters/

III. The Federal Government is determined to not allow citizens access to good, wholesome food!

Using their own regulatory agencies, the Government is taking dictatorial measures against helpless individual farmers.

NEWS BRIEF: “FDA & federal judge shut down Amish farm for selling raw milk “, Natural News, April 15, 2012

“The drama of FDA tyranny versus raw milk freedom continues from one state or province to another, almost like episodes from a dystopian TV series. First, the Amish farmer Dan Allgyer and his wife Rachel were forced to shut down their Pennsylvania farm after two years of harassment from federal agents for selling raw milk to a food club in the Washington D.C. area.”

In 1954, my father owned an individual dairy farm in Southeastern Colorado. The Government was proposing to outlaw Raw Milk. My Dad was very angry over the proposal, correctly believing that this proposal was really designed to force the small dairy farmer out of business. He argued over the dinner table that there was no scientific evidence whatsoever which proved that raw milk was dangerous.

ICG_center_for_disease_cont.jpgDad was further wary of government agencies like the Centers for Disease Control, which he viewed as an agency of political hacks rather than scientists.

At this time, we can readily say that my Dad was correct. Today, we know that the CDC is working very diligently to carry out the agenda of the New World Order.

Today, occult writings such as the Illuminati Card Game, warn us that the CDC is our sworn enemy, not our protector.

Now, let us return to our featured news story, to see how the Government ran roughshod over individual farmers.

“Is Monsanto’s milk man behind the FDA’s constant harassment? Here’s an excerpt from BoycottMonsanto.com to illustrate Michael Taylor’s –FDA Deputy Commissioner of Foods — revolving door history between Monsanto and the federal agency, and their collective war against small dairy farmers.”

Bill Schnoebelen makes the point very forcibly that many Government regulators come from the private industry they are supposed to regulate! This fact means that Government regulations are written, and are enforced, in ways which profit the private company and damage the individual person! Here, we see the suggestion that this Government drive against raw milk might be coming from a “regulator” who is very friendly with Monsanto!

But, there is more.

“Helping Monsanto devise the legal constructs to get the synthetic GMO hormone rBGH approved by the FDA and then guiding its approval during his tenure at the FDA in the 1990s. Drafting the agency’s draconian rBGH labeling laws that made it illegal for farmers and dairy companies to properly label their milk rBGH free.”

“These two excerpted items reveal dirty dairy dealings. Taylor was able to manipulate top federal and state officials to legislate against and actively pursue small dairy farms that simply labeled their commercially pasteurized milk as rBGH free or hormone free.”

The Global Elite designed this incestuous relationship between giant private corporations and Government regulatory agencies in order to guarantee a continuity of programs no matter which political party was in office, and in order to grant huge power to unelected officials, whose actions are completely above the reach of the victim.

What damage did Monsanto’s growth hormone cause?

“Monsanto’s growth hormone infected cows’ udders, destroying their health and shortening their lives. More antibiotics were ordered, attempting to offset the bad side effects from the growth hormone that synthetically forced more milk production from sickened cows, and passed puss into the milk of average unaware consumers. Today, roughly 40% of dairy cows are injected with rBGH, but non-hormone using dairy farmers have succeeded, after years of legal haggling, with having different states rescind Taylor lobbied laws that banned ‘hormone free’ labels on their milk.”

After having successfully battling Michael Taylor in many states, the “bleeding heart Liberal” President Obama, delivered a serious blow.

“Now Michael Taylor is back in government as the Obama administration’s food safety czar, and he is in FDA commissioner Margaret Hamburg’s ear as the White House top food safety adviser to the FDA … Taylor’s track record with hassling small dairy farmers has given him the connections and techniques for continuing his suppression of all things not GMO or rBGH.”

The Plan of the Elite will one day fulfill Bible prophecy, a most sobering one, the Fourth Seal Judgment:

“So I looked, and behold, an ashy pale horse black and blue as if made so by bruising, and its rider’s name was Death, and Hades (the realm of the dead) followed him closely. And they were given authority and power over a fourth part of the earth to kill with the sword and with famine and with plague (pestilence, disease) and with wild beasts of the earth.” (Revelation 6:8; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary; Emphasis added).

If the forces of Antichrist can wreak this kind of havoc over the foodstuffs, they must control food planting, food production and food distribution. Giant Corporations like Monsanto are exercising this kind of control. Their plants do not produce seed which can reproduce, their milk is contaminated and their other food stuffs are not as healthy as natural foods.

Already, many consumers cannot buy fruit and vegetables which are NOT genetically modified. Individual farmers trying to produce and distribute healthy foods are beset by legions of Monsanto farmers.

I can hear the hoof beats of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Can you?

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Natural Hygiene Guru & Atheist TC FRY & Infamous God-Hater Madalyn Murray O’Hair

Well praise God! This popped up via google: Wendell Fry, son of atheist & Natural Hygiene author TC Fry (above photo), is a Christian & is here trying to reason with folks at an Atheist site (personally I wouldn’t waste my time but God bless Wendell for trying!) & great to know his Dad’s unbiblical persuasion did not rub off on at least one of TC Fry’s offspring.

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Quote:

Tue, 08/30/2011 – 14:33

“Dear Al (an atheist),

“You can’t read any real Christian Apologetics and see an advocating of faith without reason. Galileo and Copernicus, because of Faith in God helped create or substantiate the Scientific Method because they believed that the Universe God created had rules governing it, theories and phenomenon were testable, and so things could be tested and proven because of the surety of those rules, no longer basing thought on the superstition of mythology. They (and I, not to be compared with those great minds) moved away from religious superstition which is faith without reason, which we are never called to (you care to quote a scripture substantiating your assertion?), and looked at God in the Bible with open eyes. (For your information, my Dad was T.C. Fry, a claimed atheist, and friend of Madelyn Murray O’Hare who stayed or visited with us during her lawsuit in the 60’s).

“Christianity, like any other body of thought, can be practiced selflessly or selfishly (Jesus, whom I follow, although He taught selflessness, tells us we are naturally bent to love ourselves “No one ever hated his own flesh. . . so love others like you love yourself”). We don’t have to be taught to be selfish, we are that already. Christianity can falsely be used as an excuse for almost anything irrational or many a foolish act, and sometimes evil treatment of others, but Atheism has also been used brutally, like with Mao Tse Tung and Stalin, but even on a grander scale. How much more were Atheistic regimes marked by people being like cattle, treated like cattle and governed with contempt? So would you then argue everything Lenin and Stalin did was a result of the tenets of Atheism? Were they using intelligence or brutality when they removed the farmers from the farms and installed their “Friends” and political allies to keep them, and thus overly reduce the efficiency of the farms, resulting in the “smart”, “intelligent” and “wise” reduction in produce coming from them? That makes sense!?!

“You use very weak argument, saying atheists make up a very small part of the imprisoned population, so therefore: . . . whatever! What percentage of the population is atheist? What percentage of the prison population is atheist? Is there a real correlation? Is that science or conjecture? (Of course to be honest, with a short amount of time to write an argument, I’ve used the same sort of thing to substantiate my own argument, whatever pops into the mind, makes sense to me and sounds good, right?) But you need to have better argument. Your argument sounds like one of my college papers, where the best part of my arguments to me were my own thoughts and words, not the real truth in them. Jesus was not fictitious, read the Jewish, Non-Christian Josephus’ Antiquities writings. Also, read Lee Strobel’s books, The Case For Christ and The Case For Faith. He was an atheist who came to faith through search and reason, but really took a closer look at what he wrote-off before.

“You said, “It is no accident that the bible lacks any story, tale or parable about the oppressed rising up against their oppressors.”, yet Daniel stood up to an oppressor in Nebuchadnezzar, as did Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, even to their imminent death and were instead victorious. Your generalizations show you ignore what really is, so you can substantiate your argument without true scholarship.

“On Faith Alone” is a misnomer. Faith is always based on evidence. Evidence is two-fold, empirical and testimonial, and all evidence must be weighed. Once one “knows the Lord”, then we know that when we put our faith in Him instead of our own perception, then we will understand on the other end, but that doesn’t mean we don’t try to understand in the middle. It’s a matter of relationship and trust, not blind subservience. We don’t abandon reason, reason is a great tool, but we also understand the weakness of our position and don’t jump to conclusions about what is, because of how we see it, before we find the evidence for it. “Lean not on your own understanding” does not mean don’t understand, as a matter of fact, have you forgotten how much the Bible teaches about getting knowledge and wisdom? Your article is ignorant of the Bible, and more knowledgeable of your perception of it. Is that Truth? Isn’t that the judgment that the Bible teaches not to use, self-serving judgment, instead of righteous judgment? The One who says, “Judge not so that you won’t be judged” also said, “Judge with righteous judgement.” To the one who knows Him, it means don’t be self-serving in how you look at others, always looking to condemn others by your own standard, but judge with righteous judgment. Take yourself out of the picture and know what’s right. Now if you don’t get that, it’s because you are making yourself out to be a judge of everyone’s motives and condemning based not in truth, but in your own understanding, a very subjective thing. We as humans often do things to justify ourselves knowingly or unknowingly. Our comfort with our own paradigm means for us that everything has to fit in our minds (be subject to our perception, specifically or generally) whether we have a grasp on it or not, there has to be some perceived uniformity. All objective truth is subject when it comes to you perceiving or knowing it (though truth is not subject to you) in that you can’t interact with it knowingly without some subjectivity. If the wind moves and it is gentle, yet you are covered head to toe with thick clothing, depending on what you are doing, you might not perceive it. The Truth is that when one hears the gospel as in “Today, when you hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. . .” There is a testimony that is beyond our natural perception, except that it is like the fact that we do not see air, but see its effects, we can’t see or hear God’s Spirit, naturally, but we can see His effects if we are paying attention. That is all subjective, somewhat, but I do not tell you to just take my word. You have to have your own encounter with God, and since you think Him a fable, you won’t look or perceive. But, to perceive takes the simplicity of a child, or it isn’t available for all. All you have to do is be honest and sincere. I didn’t believe until God made Himself known to me. I wasn’t seeking Him, but I did want to know. (and the Bible does say God will reveal Himself to those who were not looking) Believe me, I know all the atheistic arguments, growing up around my Dad, but once you have met God and know Him, you would have to lie to say you didn’t.

“For you and me, the problem is not the Truth, but our perception of it. If we understand the weakness of our position, then we can see a little more honestly and clearly. We have to understand that our perception is relative to Truth, not the other way around. Truth is never relative. You and I have something at stake in the matter, making us unqualified to judge Truth. We must recuse ourselves from standing as authorities. Truth itself is the authority, and we can do our best to study, perceive as clearly as possible, and align our arguments as cogently, and logically as possible, but to not understand our own weakness and subjectivity and vulnerability in the process is to be ignorant of the Truth.

“If you don’t see the Design of God in Nature and in DNA, and you white wash your intelligence by using “Billions and Billions of years” to ignore it, then you are not using true reason, but ignorance. Don’t you ask, “How?” How did things change, how did the nature encountered that required adaptation and change, communicate to the living thing what to do to change? Of course if didn’t, so did the living thing’s DNA just change by chance without knowing what it was changing and just got lucky — gradually over Billions and Billions of years? Does the pressure to change by the Natural Whatever the living thing encounters work over on DNA and make it change in a corresponding gradual way? How would it know how to change? Did it have the “Billions of Years” to make the change before its survival was ultimately threatened by nature?

“Now we see that adaptation is built into the code of DNA, but we see that not by studying the code, but its results. However, we don’t see that intelligence telling us how a light sensitive nerve in a sponge would “evolve” into a spherical eye that has rods and cones and a self-focusing lens all the while it uses the laws of light and lenses to invert the image and tell the brain to re-invert it? Look deeper, or, do we just accept it on faith and not question it? Are you basically saying that “Evolution” is a fact, an obvious given, that the fact that we are here is enough? Sounds like religion to me, Al.

“When is an “Accident” intelligent? When you add “Billions and Billions of years” to it. When is Chance Destiny? When you add “Billions and Billions of years” to it. When are the intelligent stupid, when they equate natural selection, and micro-evolution (which are both really DNA-built adaptation) with Origins and macro-
evolution. You’ve missed the presuppositions you take into account. You have presuppositions (as we all naturally do), but you don’t acknowledge that without them your arguments don’t stand, and that you need them to survive in your paradigm philosophically. Your presuppositions are your beliefs you take without question. Look deeper. “Take care.
“Wendell Fry”

End Quote.

Source (which I hate to even link to, bleh!):
http:// atheists .org/ content/morals-why-atheism-trumps-christianity

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I only scanned the first page of that thread, which is pages & pages long, & did not notice further comments signed by Wendell. He may have come back & piped in later. Either way, nice to “meet you,” brother Wendell Fry! :)

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Wendell mentioned, above, that the famed God-hater Madalyn Murray O’Hair (below photo) used to visit their Fry home in the Sixties (what a small world! O’Hair & TC Fry were both based in Austin, Texas).

O’Hair’s eldest son, William, is also a Christian. I’ve seen William being interviewed on TBN in years past regarding his mother. He gave an awesome testimony of his salvation but also how wretched & dysfunctional his mother was & what it was like growing up with her.

Here are some of William Murray (O’Hair)’s quotes from his site that were posted at the Jesus-Is-Savior site.

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Quotes:

“I was born into a home of near constant rage and violence. As a result of my mother’s constant angry outbursts, she could not hold down a job. She, my brother and I, lived with her parents and my unmarried uncle. My grandfather had never filed an income tax return and most of what he did do during his life was illegal or ill advised. My grandmother read Tarot cards and sent out demons by burning human hair. My uncle kept hoards of pornography in his room and my mother filled the house with statues of mating animals which she worshipped.”

“When I was a young boy of ten or eleven years old she would come home and brag about spending the day in X-rated movie theaters in downtown Baltimore…”

“My mother delighted in hiring unrepentant criminals to work in her atheist office. She particularly enjoyed hiring convicted murderers who had served their time but were unrepentant about what they had done…”

“My mother was an evil person … Not for removing prayer from America’s schools … No … She was just evil. She stole huge amounts of money. She misused the trust of people. She cheated children out of their parents’ inheritance. She cheated on her taxes and even stole from her own organizations. She once printed up phony stock certificates on her own printing press to try to take over another atheist publishing company. I could go on but I won’t. All the money my mother made in this manner stayed behind. It did not go with her. ‘For we brought nothing into this world and it is certain we can carry nothing out’” (1st Timothy 6:7).

“My mother simply believed, ‘Do what thou wilt shall be the only law.’”

“The dismembered bodies of Madalyn Murray O’Hair, Jon Murray and Robin Murray were found in January of 2000 in Camp Wood, Texas. One of the killers, David Waters, led the authorities to the site in return for a guarantee he would serve his time in a Federal rather than in a Texas state prison. He died in prison of liver disease in 2003. A second killer was sentenced to life in prison.”

“In reality my mother did not create the times, the times created her. She was what America was about in the sixties and seventies. There were several cases going to the Supreme Court to remove prayer. Her case just got there first. The left-wing Court of the day wanted prayer out of the schools and to allow abortion on demand. They virtually were advertising for cases to change America. But my mother saw the secular and sexual turn in America as centered around her.”

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For the longer versions, see the source sites:
http://www.wjmurray.com
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Atheism/madalyn_ohair.htm

William’s Mom had some serious problems! It must be awful to grow up around atheists & God haters! But what a magnificent testimony to the saving power of Jesus Christ that both these men, Wendell & William, somewhat connected though their parents’ mutual atheism & friendship, grew up to become Christians despite their backgrounds. Beautiful! Thank you Lord!

PS: I couldn’t find a picture of Wendell Fry.

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